Couple suprise omissions from the Deadspin list that I've read speculation about:

Ramirez
Ortiz
Paul O'Neill
Bernie Williams

I thought since Lenny Dykstra was on there that they'd just have the entire 1993 Phillies team that won the World Series on there.

My pappy once told me not to worry about things that are out of your control. You'll die early if you do that. If you can't do anything about it then why waste your time and health worrying about it? We can't go back in time and set these players straight. It's done and over with. The commish, owners an union now need to take the necessary actions.

Speaking of the 93 Phillies, where is Darren Daulton's name? You know he had to be doing the roids along with a near lethal concoction of LSD, shrooms, battery acid and peyote.

I don't understand the whole point of this list, I guess. I mean, there have been rumors and innuendo about several of these players for years now. Seems like the list is just an "official" version of those rumors. Unless we're going to be looking at proof of failed blood/urine tests, I don't know how any of this can be considered groundbreaking or even reliable, especially considering the other rumors that claim that people who did testify were "bullied" into their testimonies.

This isn't to say that some of these guys aren't guilty, but I guess I was just hoping that, if their names were going to be dragged through the mud, there'd be more to back it up than just the word of some former clubhouse attendant.

93 Phils had a bunch including Inky, Hollins, Daulton, Dykstra, Kruk,Chamberlain, and Mariano Duncan.

Wouldn't it be great if they name Kruk while he's on air today.

I think the list represents a change in baseball, or a 'drawing of the line'. I don't even care if they have 100% positive proof that these guys did it to be honest with you. It shows that people are now watching so players better be extra careful to either a) not do it, b) not get caught or c) do something suspicious that gets them on the list. Baseball didn't have that before. Players were getting away with doing it and it was hurting the game.

Again, until the Report comes out and we are able to go throw it letter by letter, it's hard to really tell what it's going to say, what it means and what's going to happen. Still, I can't sit here and say...'this means nothing' because I feel that this report means a lot to the game of baseball.

I'd just like to see this

1993 Philadelphia Phillies Team - Including manager Jim Fregosi

Right on Erin.

You gotta think that since all these bigger names are on this list that a vast majority of players have at least used steroids at some point.

I don't think the list meanas nothing. I think it's definitely going to mean something, but it's more, like grifter said on the other post, about the fallout than anything else. You can't punish these guys based on hearsay, so we can only hope that this puts an end to the steroid era once and for all (seems unlikely, though).

These guys are probably all guilty, but it's hard to know for sure just because they're on the list. We'll know more when we see the evidence presented, but it sure seems like it's just a lot of "I saw this guy carrying something that looked like steroids" or whatever. And that's pretty shady stuff to use to destroy a man's legacy.

I think Harry Kalas and the late Richie Ashburn might be on the Phillies list as well.

This is way too much fun. I so hope to Tuffy Rhodes, Paul Reuschel and Kevin Orie on the list.

My only hope is that now that some big names that people like get thrown out ("true" Red Sox like Varitek, "true" Yankees like Pettite), that maybe we can move alway from the "They're cheats!" aspect, and get back to the reality of what we are talking about... do steroids make you better? Does it really matter if players use PEDs? Half the list is going to be scrubs, including 5 guys you wouldn't even know.

Does using steroids make you normal in the league, i.e are you just keeping up with the Joneses? Are the "clean" players the anomalies (the A-Rods, Griffey Jrs.)?

I don't know if I've heard much discussion in that aspect, just the usually "he's a cheater", and "this guy must be a cheater, look at his stats", etc. It would be nice to move beyond that level, to a more intellectual discussion of the advantages and disadvantages of steroids....

Sort of how when we talk about pot-smoking nowadays, it's no longer "I think he does drugs", but about whether criminization of drug use is good or bad for society....

Just make sure and not talk about another name on the Deadspin list: Daryl Kile. It's bad enough Saint Albert is even mentioned.

And at what point this morning did something being hearsay become important? It certainly wasn't in a post last night about IU.

In baseball, where they play a grueling 162 game schedule with few days off PED's come into play quite a bit. It's difficult to play at the same level consistently, so if you are able to get 'help' from PED's to keep your playing level higher or allow you to feel better, you have a better chance of putting up better numbers. It's not going to make you be able to hit a 95 mph fastball overnight, but if you are a good player, it will allow you to be a good player more often than you are a mediocre player. In other words, with the peaks and valleys a player goes through during the season, PED's allow them to stay closer to the peaks for a longer period of time. That would be the advantage.

The disadvantage, of course, are the harmful effects of the PED's and the fact that some of them are illegal in the United States. It also hurts the game of baseball when an artificial substance is brought into play to 'unlevel' the playing field. Whether that's by using a corked bat, steroids, spit ball, etc...it's not good for the game.

How many times are we going to hear the word "creditability" mentioned by the players towards these sources that spoke their names to Mitchell? I wonder what players will speak about it and what exactly they will say. Please someone ask Gary Sheffield once his name is mentioned. His response should be hilarious. It should be an interesting next couple of hours.

I think you'll see most of the players defer to the players union, or what the players union/their agents have told them to say.

I wonder how many times we'll hear the word....'cracker' today?

Rampage and I just went through the Report and Pujols was not talked about once and neither was Wood or Prior. Cpt. Morgan and I played against Larry Bigbie who was named in the report a lot..

david justice?

i know the NFL is pretty much made of teflon these days, but isn't it inevitable that the "Who's Using?" question gets pointed in their direction, at least a little bit?
is 73 homeruns any more suspicious than a 300 lb lineman sprinting a 4.4 40?

Somehow the NFL gets a free pass because I think everyone always assumed that the players were on something to begin with. I mean, they have had multiple players get suspended for getting caught (i.e. Merriman), they serve their suspension and then you hear nothing about it.

Kruk was just on before the press conference and was talking about playing minor league ball with Jose Canseco. He said that if he would have known what he knows now about steroids that he would have taken them.

I think the name on this list that surprises me the most is Wally Joyner.

The policing of steroids and other PED's is much stricter in the minor leagues than the majors.

I take back the Woods and Prior joke. Dusty Baker was the reason their shoulders exploded.

In specific response to the NFL bit made by grifter: Most people int he NFL do not run 4.4 40s, as a matter of fact, most 40 times that get thrown around in the spring are ridiculously idiotic. A fast 40 time for a combine is a 4-47 or 4.48 and they are rarely run. People get ridiculous times because they have their 40 hand timed by coaches eager to inflate their players draftability. Many tailbacks run the 40 in the high 4.5 and 4.6s in the combine on a "laser" time and that is about on par with what a solid 40 time should be for a good college senior who excels at sprinting. In the spring you will get a series based on measurables from me when I sit down and talk speed with IU's best sprinter, who happens to run 4.56s on diner food, cereal and Coors.

The reality with 40 times is not quite as fancy as one would think. Elite players often skip the combine so that their 40 wont be "laser" timed. Otherwise, you would discover that the "speed" of Reggie Bush is not as extreme as one might think. Instead, Reggie's speed comes from his ability to get through his gears quickly, not necessarily in top speed, so it would not appear as fast in 40 or 100 meter times.

One thing to remember is that the NFL does not claim to be without its problems, but it faced up to them sooner and tried to do more about it earlier than baseball. As a consequence, it has the appearance of propriety and good faith that baseball can't claim because of its long standing silence on the subject.

i didn't mean for the time to be taken literally, i just said to emphasize a point.
nfl players are bigger, faster, and stronger across the board than they used to be. since it is such a team sport, i guess it's hard for one guy to stand out from the bunch even if he's injecting bull semen into his arteries three times a day, as opposed to baseball where it can be pretty evident when there's funny business going on.
i love the nfl like a crackhead loves crack, but it's funny how no one ultimately cares if or who is using what, as long as they keep getting 109 yard kick returns for touchdowns.

One other reason that the NFL pretty much gets a hall pass is that it's not run by a bunch of troglodytes, who actually think the fans buy the line of bullshit they're dealing.

Well, the NFL has its front office issues. They have the problems with veterans benefits and marketability. They also face difficult situations in terms of how to maintain upkeep on facilities that are only used once a week and keep ticket prices affordable. That is something they battle that the MLB and NBA don't worry bout as much because they have more events offer. I also don't mean to say that the NFL is clean. It isn't. I just wanted to use the moment to spark interest in a future column and to say something I think a lot of people don't hear or fully understand. Mike Vick never ran a laser timed 4.1. Never happened. If you want to talk about real mind blowers in terms of combine times look at Dwight Freeney's 4.38 on a sprained ankle in 2002. He also did 28 reps at 225, had a 37 inch vertical, and a Wonderlick of 35. Those are unbelievable measurables. Grifter's point is that the field seems to have more and more guys doing things like that every year and it aint the water the have at the combine. It is a very valid point.

I'm sitting out here and all I hear on the local sports radio is how awful they feel that Roger Clemens was named to this..."Oh, it's like a punch to the stomach. For all that Clemens brought to the game." I have been saying this for years...Clemens is a roids user. I think that you would have to be completely nieve to think otherwise...But this ultimately does lead to the question what does it really matter? Will it change people's perceptions of the players? I sent a text about Clemens on the report to a friend of mine who is a huge yank's fan, his response, "Roger Clemens is a saint."